Which glock?
 

The first FRN infusion came through, and after meeting a few *ahem* eBay-related contractual obligations, I have about $200 left over. May have to take some 90% off the table or something, who knows? There should be more forthcoming if I play the cards right. How much does a Glock .45 usually cost (I did not get a definitive result from GunBroker's search), and which model in particular (e.g. 21,37, &c) ? I don't know much about these so any additional insight would be appreciated.

Re: Which glock?
 

If you're going for .45, I would choose the 21, unless you want to concealed carry, in which case get the 30. The 37 uses .45 G.A.P. (Glock Auto Pistol) instead of .45 ACP. I am not familiar enough with that round to recommend it.

I bought my Glock 22 (.40) earlier this year, new from a local dealer, for $549.

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Bought my Glock 22 unfired (.40 cal S&W) in early September for $475 cash off an individual at a gun show w/case, 1 mag, warranty card, and booklets.

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.45GAP is a pointless cartridge. Well, that isn't entirely true. It exists to allow for a smaller grip on a .45 handgun so a person without large hands can still have a coolguy caliber. If you're set on a .45 get the ACP instead so at least the ammo will be a bit more common if you find you need to make a quick ammo run before a day at the range.

You might want to try out that .45 Glock before you buy it, though. Glocks are good guns, I generally respect them, but ergonomics are not their strong suit. Add a plump round like a .45 to the mix and you're talking about one big wad'o'plastic.

$550 seems to be what most shops in my local area ask for a new Glock.

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I'd sorta agree with Rev on this one.........a 1911 only comes as a 45 or 38 so you're limited.
True, a 45 makes a big hole but it's a 'slow' round averaging only 850-900fps.

For GLOCK, I'd look into a 9mm, 40 s&w, or even a 10mm if you can handle the kick.

FWIW - I'd get a 40 S&W and you can always buy a 9mm or 357-sig barrel if you want an alternative cartridge for target practice.

Leave the 45-acp to the 1911's, six-shooters, and Tommy guns.........it really doesn't have a place in today's modern semi-autos.

40 S&W is also a police weapon meaning that there's lots of ammo made for this calibre and is somewhat reasonably priced.

:wink:

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:confused_ma:

I should hold off on the purchase for awhile, this isn't quite making sense, that and I have no idea which are good in which areas and so forth. I'll take this under consideration in the meantime; if nothing else I have new leads. Thanks for the advice thus far.

Which publications would you advise I read for this to make sense?

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You might be suprised how little difference the size of the hole is in real life anyway. The attached pic should help as a baseline.

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Since you're already sold on GLOCK, I'd visit their website and look at all their models to learn about each one. The 10mm version has the 'largest' and 'heaviest' frame.

Just choose the 'caliber' and click on the icon >> http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols_45.htm


Here's a rundown on my Glock 22 off the website :


GLOCK 22
The U.S. law enforcement pistol
The .40 caliber introduced at the 1990
S.H.O.T. Show closes the gap between the heavy .45 charges and the internationally proven 9 x 19mm service
calibers. GLOCK was the first manufacturer to make the
advantages of this balanced caliber accessible to law
enforcement agencies in a perfect pistol. Today, countless
police units in the United States and throughout the world
put their trust in the 15-round GLOCK 22.

Re: Which glock?
 

I'm not quite sold on the brand as I would appear to be (Buff & walker suggested it, I heard it was good, haven't heard much else about handguns); if there's a better manufacturer, I'd go for that instead.

Thanks for the link; I'll do some homework on there :wink:

EDIT: what does 'auto' mean on the bullet caliber?

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There are quite a few very good handgun manufacturers and Glock is one of them. Instead of picking a manufacturer or caliber and trying to make the gun fit that I would advocate defining what it is you expect from your handgun and then selecting one that delivers as much as possible on your expectations.

I always thought it was weird that a very high pressure round like the .40sw would be so heavily pushed for law enforcement duty. The setback problem is a catch for administrative handling and is exacerbated by the Glock design which can culminate in KA-BOOMS! If I was running a Glock .40 I'd swap to an aftermarket barrel with better chamber support.

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I am really not sure what qualifications I'm even looking for specifically, now that you mention it. I thought they all just went 'boom', but as I look closer, there are many considerations, making selection quite complex, and why I'm going to put it off until I know exactly what I'm trying to get.

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That makes sense.

Here are a few general categories that might help you out.

*Hunting

*Concealed Carry

*Home Defense/Glove Box In Car

*Recreation

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If you do decide on the G-21, I have a very lightly used one I'd sell you for $500...:D

I have a couple 26s, a couple 19s, a couple 21s, a 36 and a 30.
I love them all and they beat the hell out of all the 1911s I've had.

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MasonicPlot seems to swear by the Glock 45. I'm sure he'll be able to give an opinion. I like the ole 1911 myself. Guess I'm a bit old fashioned. With the money you'd probably save on an entry level Springfield or Taurus, you'd have some money left over for ammo.

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If you can, go down to a shooting range that rents guns, and try out a few. See which one you like.

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Get a Glock 27 (.40) for daily carry & a 1911-type for chewing up .45.
Be like Wyldwil!!!

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Definitely have a feel of a Glock 21 to be sure it feels comfortable in your hands before you buy one. I recently handled one and it was just a bit too long in the grip, and just didn't feel comfortable at all to me. The Kimber 1911 I handled felt wonderful in my hands. It just fit right into place and felt very comfortable. So leaving all the other differences between the guns out, based on ergonomics alone, the glock 21 wouldn't work well for me.

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The new 21SF (Short Frame) might work for those who find the 21 heavy-handed. Originally designed for the canceled US-military trials to replace the 9mm Beretta. The only one recommended by Tyrone, Tyrese, *and* Tyshaun.

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This, like all things, boils down to a religious war. You're going to have Glock die hards, 1911 believers, H&K elitists, SiG realists, etc. Then, once you've chosen a religion, it breaks down into sub cults: Springfield vs. Kimber, Glock vs. H&K, SiG vs. everybody else.

Then, once you decide "which brand defines you" as a person, the caliber question pops up and causes a revisit to the first question and possibly a loss of faith in your chosen religion.

I have been through this cycle two or three times and am currently firmly planted first in the 45ACP camp and secondly in the 1911 camp. I first started firearms worship in the church of Glock with pastor Glaston. I then read some hymnals by John Browning and "lost my faith." Along the way, I had a trist like affair with a SiG P220, my first cheat on the 9mm round, after which I divorced her for good.

So, good luck with this and I think it's more about the journey than where you end up. You may quite possibly end up with more than one religion and become, like me, a pagan firearm owner, having both a 1911 in the Springfield TRP variety for serious work, while also having a Walther PPK for very easy carry along with a Ruger revolver in the night stand in case in the middle of the night we have to absolutely go bang.

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I hear glock has problems in the .45, but I never confirmed it. My 22 never fails in .40.

Otherwise if you have small hands or like carry conceal, try a kimber ultra carry II. I like that one. Its very small for a .45 1911 style, but it costs about 700-850.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/ultracarry/

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Glock 22 is among those subject to controversy about an unsupported chamber:

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/images/sup-unsup.jpg

which can lead to:

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/images/gz-m30kb6.jpg

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/images/22kb.jpg

More at http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html.

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Glock, S&W, Ruger, LLama, Taurus , Sig, shot them all over my life time, (Im now 57), can't say any were more reliable than the others, just like cars, you get good ones and bad ones. Im partial to the Taurus pt92 9mm, comes with two 17 round mags, also have two ruger kp89s, like them too.

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I looked at glocks and just could'nt get one to fit my hand comfortably. The grip is too straight.

I bought an XD40. It's got some shape to the handle and has a couple additional safety features as well. Same trigger mechanism safety, but the hand has to be on the grip as well. Also a mechanical indication of chamber loaded and firing pin cocked.

Shoots as well. Doesn't jam. I love it. Of course the glock guys often shout it down, but it's just a pissin match.

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A Glock 17 if you must own a Glock.

The best model they make IMO, mass produced.

Also, stay away from any funny calibers. I had a .357 sig chambered handgun that I had to get rid of recently.

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I like the PT92 as well. It's easy on the budget.

I own a P89 too. Even easier on the budget and made in the USA.

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I've got a factory refurbished police issue Glock 22, paid about $400 "new". Very reliable gun. Always goes bang.

2 Issues:
1. The case bulge due to the unsupported chamber. It's visible on my ejected cases, but I have never heard of a problem with standard pressure ammo and a clean barrel.
2. The grip angle just feels wrong. Amazingly, though, I can shoot this gun more accurately than any other handgun I own. ????? :thinkey: :thumbs up

Conclusion:
It's a good handgun. If you are worried about the chamber support issue, then get an aftermarket barrel.

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My Favorite Glock Commercial:

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GLOCKs come in small, medium, and large sizes. I got the medium 9mm model, the GLOCK 19. It is small enough to conceal, but not too small for my somewhat large hands. It also accepts 17 round magazines. If you've read FerFAL's Argentina stories, you know why that's important.

If you look for the videos where the guy tortures his GLOCK and it still fires every round put through it without a hitch, you will know why they are the best choice. (over XDs, etc)

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1911 is what I would get cheep mags parts every where simple to work on and safe

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A little history on the 1911 The pistol was designed to comply with the requirements of the U.S. Army, which, during its campaign against the Moros in Philippines, these guys where huge and would get so fired up before a battle they would simply shrug off a .38 round. The .45 is all you need, and a well placed center mass shot will stop an attacker so fast they won't know their dead. 1911s are outstanding SHTF weapons due to their ability to function whilst covered with dirt and mud. As for accuracy remember, most shootouts happen within 10-15 feet. a GLOCK I wouldn't trust under less than ideal conditions. a 1911.....there is a reason the USMC is looking to get the 1911 back.

HUB

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We've gone over the myth of .45 "stopping power" in other threads...

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So I would be ill-advised to use a .45 caliber Colt 1911? Are the Glocks traditionally reliable, and is their ammo relatively common and inexpensive in this case? That and I assume the 1911 is less expensive overall because of the inexpensive parts mentioned, is that correct?

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It's not online anymore, but there used to be a video where this guy put his GLOCK in saltwater for a week, ran it over with his truck, buried it in sand, dunked it in mud with the chamber open, etc, etc, and it fired the full magazine with no problems. They are an amazing design. Try that with a 1911, and you'd be in for disappointment, especially if your life depended on it.

If you do your research, you will find that there is a reason they are the most popular semiauto handgun in the world. Check out www.glocktalk.com , I think there is a lot of good info there.

Watch this as well:

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Site is still there as far as I can see:

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php...iew&id=90&Item

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Do you guys really think that by throwing the 1911 vs Glock debate as well as the caliber debate into this thread that you have helped this guy out in his selection of a handgun?

I think you have made him more confused than ever.

The original post was "Which Glock?"
:no_ma:

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If it's for regular carry, I would suggest the Glock 33 sub-compact in .357SIG. Just because it's not a pain in the butt to carry, it's concealable and light. Also if someone underestimates it because of it's size, they are in a whole world of hurt. It holds 9-10 rounds, and will put down your target fast with that round, and should have excellent feed reliability. The only downside is the ammo is a bit specialised, but hey... them's the breaks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_33

Glock 39:

If you're a large calibre fan, and nothing short will do, and you can control all the recoil in a subcompact. Won't have the same feed reliability as a .357 SIG though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_39
.45 GAP (10 round standard mag available)

* * *


If you want it for the home, or not regular carry, there are a few choices. Glock 34 in 9mm (holds 17 rounds in a standard clip). That's 17 chances of hitting something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_34

Glock 35:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_35
Chambered in .40 S&W (Standard 15 round capacity. The longer slide promotes accuracy and reduces muzzle flip)

Glock 24:

Same as above really, but is a 17L in configuration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_24

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Check out this ridiculous G33 from the place down the street from me, aka "the temple of firearms".

This Glock Is Money:
Attachment 34098

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/ad...p?itemID=14430

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As Drafter has indicated I do indeed love my Glock 21, it has been very good to me, if you use good quality ammo I do not think you will have any problems with it. I am not a 9mm guy so you will never hear me encouraging you to buy one, but that doesnt mean they are no good. I grew up on .45s and it is what I am used to and partial to.

Skyvike makes an EXCELLENT POINT about the Glock 21, the grip is WIDE and you need to put your hands on that gun and get a feel for it BEFORE you purchase it. I am a big guy so I have no problem with the wide grip. If it feels good and you think you are able to handle a big round like a .45, then I can assure you that a Glock 21 wont let you down. And it will give you the power and round capacity you need to knock people right on their ass, and they wont get up.

I strongly suggest you read this:

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php...d=90&Itemid=40


No matter what you buy you need to hold it in your hands and be comfortable with it.

Glocks are great, they are well made and tough as nails. But there are many other good guns out there also and it is hard to go wrong with a 1911, in the end what matters most is what feels best in your hands.

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1911's are ok. They are a fullsize handgun that holds only 7 to 8 rounds per mag of a heavy, expensive round that isn't magnum class, isn't a death ray and won't penetrate some barriers a 9mm or .357 will zip through. The 1911 in .45acp is the ultimate coolguy gun. If you want to be a coolguy, buy one. If practicality is your top concern it sould be a little lower down the list.

Glocks have a well deserved reputation as very durable, reliable handguns. That reputation was built on the original model, the Glock 17. Many of their other guns are good too, but their high pressure/large caliber guns have a quirk. Their feed ramps are cut deep into their chambers wic is good for feeding. Trouble is overpressure ammo may explode in them. You can get this overpressure condition by chambering and unchambering a given round of ammo more than once, such as clearing your weapon for cleaning or other administrative reasons. If you get a large caliber high pressure Glock it would be wise to install a fully supported aftermarket barrel. You can't shoot unjacketed lead bullets through a Glock, not a big deal usually because they aren't popular bullets. You cannot reload brass from a factory Glock barrel, they all are bulged at the case head because of the unsupported chamber.

Glocks cost about $75 to manufacture, very cheap to make because of few internal parts and the frame is made from plastic. 1911's and other all steel guns cost more to make. There is no direct corelation between expense of manufacture and quality.

The only thing that stops badguys are rounds that hit critical targets. Shot placement is primary in stopping power. Then penetration.

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if you are getting your first gun, why not try a 22 rifle since that is what most of us learned on as teenagers or kids, I would bet. join a gun club or a range where you can shoot regularly and work your way up. handgun is not a good starter gun.

if you must have a handgun and it is your first I strongly recommend you get a revolver, like the ruger sp101 in 357 mag. or any good make, taurus makes a nice one that is less expensive than the comparable SW.

or a glock in 9mm if you must have an autoloader. not a 45 for what rev said. I guess 40sw is fine too, same diff.

if there is one rule of handgun safety most people have to learn by experience it is this. KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER AND OUT OF THE TRIGGER GUARD UNTIL YOU AQUIRE THE TARGET. The problem with a handgun is your fingers close around the trigger naturally when you pick the thing up. I have seen novice handgun users make accidental discharges again and again -- even as I did-- by unconsciously breaking this rule. You must practice handling the empty EMPTY weapon especially by indexing your trigger finger along the slide and making that your habit instead of reflexively letting it go onto the trigger as is natural.

This past week a cop was killed in Gary Indiana by an accidental discharge at the range by a long time veteran who says that somebody "bumped" into him.

Shooting is dangerous. I only go to matches where there is a cold range, ie, no loaded guns at all anywhere except on the line. I dont go to free time plinking style ranges with other people at all anymore. I dont intend to buy the farm practicing.

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That's a very good point actually. The gun you should buy, should suit your ergonomics, hand size etc. It may or may not be a Glock, but it should be the gun you are the most accurate and comfortable with.

You should shoot all kinds of guns before making a decision on what you want to buy, who knows, even a revolver might meet your requirements? They have just a few rounds, but they are incredibly reliable, even when compared with the best semi-auto pistols. Don't impulse buy, make sure you are getting a good deal, and not getting gouged on a sale, purchase a gun you are happy with and you won't regret the purchase later, or have to re-sell the weapon.

Also, you should shoot a rifle/shotgun or two, just so you can get an appreciation of the differences with a handgun, and how much respect you should pay to those.

Safety first, when practicing. Always.

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Skinir-

After years of trying, I was never able to learn
shooting .45 ACP well ....
(Colt Mark 4 / Series 70).

So I went to the range and rented five or
six different makes of 9mm pistols. One was
clearly, far and away the best for me, .....
(it wasn't a Glock).

dtnwn

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[QUOTE=REV127;759312]1911's are ok. They are a fullsize handgun that holds only 7 to 8 rounds per mag of a heavy, expensive round that isn't magnum class, isn't a death ray and won't penetrate some barriers a 9mm or .357 will zip through. The 1911 in .45acp is the ultimate coolguy gun. If you want to be a coolguy, buy one. If practicality is your top concern it sould be a little lower down the list.

Hi Skirnir, Hey, just remember to keep it simple and reliable. It's very hard to beat the 45 ACP. I was a weapons range instructor in the USAF. In the early 1900's the Army adopted the 38 Special for the officers citing that the 45 Colt they had been carrying was too big and kicked too hard. However after finding many officers dead, killed by Phillipine warriors using bolo knives they went back to the 45 Colt. What they were finding out was the smaller caliber 38 was not stopping the charging warriors even after 4 or 5 hits. Whereas the 45 would stop them with 1 or 2 shots.

This resulted in the Army doing tests to find out why. They did many tests on cadavers and apes(yeah, they could get away with it back then) What they found was that it is the diameter of the bullet that determines the shock that is delivered to the target. They even found that the slower 45 ACP delivered almost the same shock as the 45 Colt(a much more powerful round). This is the same reason the 40 S&W was developed for police to replace the 9 MM. More impact. It's not the velocity, It's the diameter of the bullet. A 44 Mag has both, which works really well when shooting a deer. But I don't think we are talking aobut that type of target.

I know the Glock is a very capable weapon, very sexy too, but it's hard to beat the reliability of a 1911 45 ACP. During the Trench warfare of WW I one of the weapons the Germans feared the most was the "new" 45 ACP the Americans had. It would continue to fire even though it had been in the mud so common in the trenches. Much more reliable then the revolvers the Brits and French carried. The 45 is built like a small tank. I've heard of them being run over by trucks and tracked vehicles and they still continue to fire.


So there's my 2 cents.

Personally if you want a gun for self defence I'd go with a pump shotgun. Cheap, extremely reliable, ammo everywhere. When you charge the magazine it makes a very distinct sound and everyone knows exactly what you have and will usually leave the area. That's the best scenario, not having to fire your weapon at all. But it's always nice to have something that's very capable as a backup.

Squirrel Bait

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That's the thing about credentials, very few men know their trade.

The .38 that was adopted by the Army was the .38 Long Colt, not the .38 Special. The .38 Special is a more powerful round than the old Army .38.

Bunk. Because of the drugs and the bindings they weren't falling fast enough to rifles, either. Shotguns were the preferred special purpose weapon against the Juramentados. The primary reason for adopting the 1911 was to replace an old revolver with a new automatic.

You're talking about the Thompson-LaGarde tests. Cadavers yes, apes no. They used cows. The Thompson-LaGarde tests were stupid, like "hold my beer and watch this!" stupid. That said they indicated the 7.65 Luger as the fastest killer. Actually the big hammer was the fastest killer. They wanted a .45 cowboy pistol and kept changing the test till they got the result they wanted.

Nope, not really. They did a dangling corpse test in an all out effort to justify a cowboy caliber. They were testing to see how much the corpse barely swayed when shot. Meanwhile back in real life the high velocity 7.65 Luger produced the fastest kill, except for the hammer.

The Thompson-LaGarde tests are online, you can read them if you want. Here, I'll make it easy for you.

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/background.htm

Isn't it funny how every weapon is touted at the "most feared by the Germans!" A milspec 1911 is a good chunk of steel that generally does what it is supposed to do. Tighten the tolerances to improve accuracy and you introduce problems that cost money to straighten out but it can be done. That said most any other quality autoloader will continue to function after immersion in mud. Glocks have done that test, Makarovs, the CZ P-01 and a great many others. That is far from a unique attribute in this day and age.


Shotguns are great but if you need a gun your life is in danger. If your life is in danger why are you wasting time chambering a round and hoping the badguy gets scared? You should already have a round in the chamber of your home defense weapon. The only sound the badguy should hear out of your shotgun is the blast as lead comes screaming out the barrel at high speed. If you're just trying to deter somebody buy some pepper spray and avoid the liability of a lethal accident altogether. It isn't just you, that is an extremely common urban legend.

Re: Which glock?
 

I think I know what must be done now: join a gun club and do the required due diligence and try out a few before sinking in money. Here's the big problem: there is one nearby, but I cannot get there. I'll have to solve the ride problem before I solve the gun problem. I'll send any information I get over there past the board so I can get wide spectrum analysis so I don't make a regrettable purchase and can figure out exactly what's going on.

Thanks again for the help thus far (and if you recognize the address, PM me, I'll pay for gas if need be)

Re: Which glock?
 

Call and make sure they have a range of GLOCKs for you to try out at the range. Again, I would recommend the 9mm models.

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buff, what do you do about the 10-rd mag limit we have in Kali? Do you just use a 10-rd mag in your glock in place of the 17-rd standard size?

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I don't know it this is relevent or not - but I bought my Glocks over 10 years ago - and they had the original mags........so I have 17-rd mags....I certainly wouldn't toss them for 10, so if I was asked about them, I would say they are what came with the gun.

I have considerd getting extra 17-rd mags thru a friend out of state, but my concern is that somewhere on the mag there might be a marking showing (or giving away) that is is of recent make.

As I understood the law, the 10-rd mag applied to only those guns sold after the law changed.

Re: Which glock?
 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thats the best!

E-A

Get a comfy 9mm and have fun.

E-A

Re: Which glock?
 

Currently in CA they come with 2 10-rd mags.

Re: Which glock?
 

The debate was already extended to other models, but having to process that much new information relating to unfamiliar concepts, even that which only pertained to Glocks, had my head spinning. It comes with the territory of learning new things, and should change with enough tinkering.

Re: Which glock?
 

Skirnir,

The two most popular models among Glock afficionados by a good margin are the G19 in 9mm and the G23 (40S&W).

Re: Which glock?
 

Amusing how they engraved the polymer. :)

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I wonder though if the G33 Glock Subcompact 357SIG with 9-10 rounds is the dark horse here though. That is a pretty awesome caliber, with capacity, in a subcompact. Woah...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_33

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incredible, they took a gun with an ugly utilitarin beauty, and made it uglier by useless adornment

an incredible waste of time by someone with amazingly poor taste

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lol, agreed, I laughed when I saw it. Salesman told me he thought it looked good. Not $2500 good. You should have seen the gold plated Glocks with the olive drab greenish color frame that were also engraved. Hideous. To their credit though they do have things of incredibly good taste.(and price tag)

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/ad...p?itemID=16158
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BTW Skirnir,

If you don't have any shooting time under your belt, I'd go with Anty's advice and go buy yourself a nice $100-$150 .22 target rifle. Get a ruger 10-22(the best) if you're feeling loose with your fiat, $200. Many good cheap brands out there. Then step up to a mossberg maverick or mossberg 500 12 gauge shotgun ($160-$250 in any major sporting good stores) after you've mastered the .22. Go shoot some clay pigeons. Very fun... Or rent and pay as you go. Shoot a .22 and work your way up. Don't be afraid to ask questions. I've been in your shoes, we all have.

Are you planning on a concealed carry permit?

A Glock or any handgun on someones first gun purchase? I'm not so sure about that. Though I know people that have done exactly that. Others pick it right up, but still need alot of safety training. One guy (a coworker) bought his "Glock yo". He must have been listening to .50 Cent too much. Of course, before he even put one rnd in it, he bought the laser, threaded barrel and extended mags, idiot. The salesman probably raped him. He got it for the coolness factor. He would've impressed me alot more with a HK USP or a Colt Python. The dude wanted me to take him shooting.

Riiight... Sorry I'm busy....

No sense in buying a $500 dollar pistol and not being able to hit something 25ft away or worse, decide that it's not for you at all.



IMO a good rifle or shotgun is much more usefull than a pistol.

Re: Which glock?
 

Luv my G33

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Just for you Skirnir:

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1191516506

Re: Which glock?
 

As mentioned before if you want to try out the .45 you might consider the Glock 21 SF (comparison pics)

Hadn't seen the size comparison before, thanks.

Other firearms have had them too however H&K, Sig, etc. don't like to promote stuff like that :wink: There are $100+ aftermarket chambers that can solve that problem but again even guns with fully supported chambered have been know to have that issue.

As melbo mentioned a lot of stuff we're doing here isn't helping. As others have mentioned and to strongly reinforce go to a range nearby that rents guns and decide for yourself. The closest one to me has about 30 pistols and 5 rifles that I can try, 5 of which are Glocks. If you're not familiar with shooting correctly take a private class to learn the basics.

Re: Which glock?
 

Skirnir! You noob! Do you not read what I keep posting? I was in the same predicament you were in not too long ago. I got myself a Springfield Armory XD-9 sub-compact for carry (when i get my license) because its safety features as hedge against my current ignorance (still training) and its ease of use and cleaning, not to mention its reliability (pretty much a glock clone)

Here for HKs
http://hkpro.com/forum/index.php

Here for Glocks
http://glocktalk.com/

Here for XDs
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/

Here for ARs, AKs, handguns, & other stuff
http://ar15.com/

After you decide on a handgun, get TRAINING FOR IT.

Look in your local area for a similar facility like so:
http://www.usshootingacademy.com/index.html
or
http://www.tdsatulsa.com/

I went to the USSA. I cannot stress enough the importance of getting professional training. I never shot a handgun in my life and after their Intro to Marksmanship I could actually hit a 50yd target that day w/ my 3" barreled subbie. But make sure it is COMBAT oriented training, we did the 50yd shooting at the end of the day to wind down as a friendly competition!

If not, take a look at this:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/HandgunDrills.pdf


I hope this helps! I'm a noob, no lie. i was in your position last month, but i'm workin' it bi-weekly at a local range and getting better everyday through dryfire exercise.

Re: Which glock?
 

Real life here.....deer hunting last week with my .308, a 400+lb black bear broke from the dark timber@ 20 yards away....now with a scoped rifle its best to fire from the hip in close quarters...drop the usless thing and go for your sidearm.....which i did Glock 21....all 13 rounds alternating hollowpoints(flying ashtrays),and hardball.......the bear did an about face @ less than 20 yds and avoided a real penetration test :rolleyes_m:....
later that day i bagged my mulie....ahh i digress....the glock 21 has served me well i didnt feel undergunned at ALL....
in fact twice in the last week i had to burn a clip into the bush to ward off agressive moose!...glock 21 does the job for me here in yellowstone country.:wink:

Re: Which glock?
 

If its in your price range you might want to look into the H&K P2000. Amazing conceal cary gun. The two you should consider would be 9mm and .40 (.357 sig might be a little rough for needs). It also has an adjustable back strap so you can change the grip size which is very useful. It does cost more then a glock but you get what you pay for. I used to like glocks until I bought an HK now I would even consider spending more then 300-350 on one. Glocks are like AK's. They get the job done but there not to special.

Re: Which glock?
 

Im with anty ep on this i only go target shooting with very select friends..the indoor i go to has very good areas incase some idiot misfires..
ive seen idiots with guns and i hate em...one place i used to go to there would be maybe 30 people firing rounds mostly 22s and 9mms after seeing too many idiots and a guy get shot in the head,i said never again.

I felt weird going there i kept my sidearm loaded and close just incase,thats no way to feel easy at a range.

As far as my opinion try out some guns at a gun store ..feel comfortable with the size, then think caliber,then get comfortable with it.
My first wasnt or isnt the best i went Sig and the other a wesson.
Revolvers are great first guns